viper motor, 1gn

[noxneon]

would i be insane to try and put a viper motor in my 1gn???

[jmy93000]

absolutly insane, and in no way am i telling you not to do it

but yeah heres an idea of the work involved, beyond what most would be willing to do
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t ... sc&start=0

[mynameiskiller]

ok, im gonna say the fuse it lit at this point...

[05 SXT 5spd]

ok, im gonna say the fuse it lit at this point...

Oh come on lol, you mean youve never seen a Horizon with a 318 and a 5spd at Edgewater? Of course, it was still FWD....ran something like low 12s with a 'stock' motor (meaning he pulled it running out of a car and stuff it in there).

[mynameiskiller]

bullshit, show me pics.

you might have had me if you didnt say it was FWD...

[05 SXT 5spd]

bullshit, show me pics.

you might have had me if you didnt say it was FWD...

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!! Think about it, it had a 4cyl to begin with, the 318 isnt any longer than the 2.5 that was in there...

Oh and what about the guy who stuffed a 32V Northstar into the front of a GTi? Or some VW, it was in a mag, got 32mpg in the CITY

[mynameiskiller]

well, the difference would lie more in the fact that Chrysler has never made a FWD V8, so it would take some pretty fancy fabrication to adapt a small block to a 4 cylinder transaxle. the Northstar is already attached to a fwd transaxle, (because GM/Cadillac does make a FWD V8 ) so putting into a VW is an exercise in stuffing a big thing into a small box, not as much involved.

secondly, please make sure you have an idea of what you are talking about before you say it. we are a fairly friendly group of people on this board, but most of us are pretty knowledgable, and none of us like dumbshit... so ask questions, discuss, but dont come in here like the king of cars, because you will get owned. i dont mean for this to come off as dick-ish, just laying out the facts for you. search noxneon and see how long he was around for.

-ki//3r

[Vinny]

noxneon wasn't banned for the fact that he was a dumbass, but for the fact he made threats toward this site. But yeah, I would have to see pics before I belive someone had a FWD 318 Omni. Stranger things have been done though.

[05 SXT 5spd]

well, the difference would lie more in the fact that Chrysler has never made a FWD V8, so it would take some pretty fancy fabrication to adapt a small block to a 4 cylinder transaxle. the Northstar is already attached to a fwd transaxle, (because GM/Cadillac does make a FWD V8) so putting into a VW is an exercise in stuffing a big thing into a small box, not as much involved.

secondly, please make sure you have an idea of what you are talking about before you say it. we are a fairly friendly group of people on this board, but most of us are pretty knowledgable, and none of us like dumbshit... so ask questions, discuss, but dont come in here like the king of cars, because you will get owned. i dont mean for this to come off as dick-ish, just laying out the facts for you. search noxneon and see how long he was around for.

-ki//3r

Um ok smarty (meant nicely, geesh ) havent you ever seen a V8 Conquest/Starion, or 350 in a Vega or 280Z, or 302 in a Pinto (dont go into RWD vs FWD semantics here)? And since I brought up the subject that you know nothing about, why in the world would i ask you a question? I wasnt talking about a Peon, I was talking about another Mopar (you do know what a Plymouth Horizon is, right?), that I never personally saw, but a friend knew the guy so that how I know about it. And another thing, the comment wasnt made to you or anyone else on this board, its from a t-shirt. And factory turbo cars dont do 13's stock either.

And ive been working on cars (or at least learning about them) for over 25 years which i think just about beats the average Peon owners age. Im only here to help, hopefully bringing some 'fresh' out of the box ideas and experience with 4cyls from the DSM world. I can rebuild motors in my sleep, and a tranny in under 8 hours while its in the car..

The biggest problem about people i notice is the fact that i dont use flashy stuff or 'name brand' components, id rather make the stuff myself, so they think i know nothing since i dont buy APC or WeaponR.

Yea i know itll take some time to prove myself and my ideas, but it wont be long before i will be known.

Oh, and i have some JDM EURO turn signal fluid on clearance, cheap!


Peon: A car for the working masses. (a little dark age humor that i made up in 1995).

I can never be owned, its a misnomer and slavery was abolished back in Lincolns time.

[05 SXT 5spd]

But yeah, I would have to see pics before I belive someone had a FWD 318 Omni. Stranger things have been done though.

The earth is really flat, and we didnt land on the moon

Ya know, you gotta have faith!

[mynameiskiller]

dude, wtf was that whole ramble about? im not even going to waste my breath arguing with you, because i can tell that you are the type of person who will always believe you know the most.

heres a fun movie quote for you:

" ...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

enjoy!

[05 SXT 5spd]

dude, wtf was that whole ramble about? im not even going to waste my breath arguing with you, because i can tell that you are the type of person who will always believe you know the most.

enjoy!

Wow, intelligent! I digress however, i tried to approach this with a light hearted demeanor, yet you still seem to have your head stuck in the sand.

Yes ill believe experience (mine, yours or anyone elses) over someones opinion anytime.

Will someone close this thread now?

[mynameiskiller]

what IS your experience? you yourself have personally witnessed a fwd 318 in an Omni/Horizon? or was it a friend of a buddy of a guy whose sister he knows has one? i dont believe that there is such a car in existence, and im not willing to "take your word for it". i think you got caught in a bullshit story and now your trying to save your "reputation" with all this vauge subterfuge. as i said before, it would be quite a feat of engineering to mount a FWD TRANSAXLE to a 318 sb, not to mention pretty pointless. if you had said it was converted to rwd i might not be so incredulous, but you are sticking to this fabrication pretty hard, and it seems you have painted yourself into a corner. produce me some pics, a blueprint of the engine/trans combo, a website, anything other than your word and conjecture, and i will retract anything ive said on this topic.

secondly, put together a coherent thought if you want to argue with me. im going to do my best to decipher the mess of your previous post, one "point" at a time, so here we go...

Um ok smarty (meant nicely, geesh ) havent you ever seen a V8 Conquest/Starion, or 350 in a Vega or 280Z, or 302 in a Pinto (dont go into RWD vs FWD semantics here)? And since I brought up the subject that you know nothing about, why in the world would i ask you a question? I wasnt talking about a Peon, I was talking about another Mopar (you do know what a Plymouth Horizon is, right?), that I never personally saw, but a friend knew the guy so that how I know about it. And another thing, the comment wasnt made to you or anyone else on this board, its from a t-shirt. And factory turbo cars dont do 13's stock either.

ok, all 4 of the cars you listed above are ALREADY RWD. i cant stress this enough, putting a V8 and transmission designed for rwd applications in a car that is ALREADY RWD is not that hard, the engine and trans combo just needs to be fit in the car physically. and also, FWD/RWD "semantics" do need to be applied here because of that. Chrysler has not designed a V8/transaxle combination (transaxle implying FWD, in case you didnt catrch that or comprehend it) making it a huge undertaking, without any guidelines to follow, to attach a 318 to ANY transaxle. not backyard shadetree mechanic is going to have the capability or facility to do this, nor would they even want to. you can get equvialent performance from a 2.2/2.5 turbo setup, and it already exists, no crazy fabrication needed.
also, i do indeed know what Plymouth Horizon is, i currently own a 1988 Dodge Omni. i have also owned an Aries wagon and a Shelby Charger.
as for the "t-shirt/13 second factory turbo car comment, i have no clue what you are talking about, so your gonna have to clarify if you want me to address that one.

And ive been working on cars (or at least learning about them) for over 25 years which i think just about beats the average Peon owners age. Im only here to help, hopefully bringing some 'fresh' out of the box ideas and experience with 4cyls from the DSM world. I can rebuild motors in my sleep, and a tranny in under 8 hours while its in the car..

so you have been working on cars since you were 6? hmmm, i thought there were child labor laws in existence to prevent that sort of thing from happening... even waaaay back in 1975 when you were born, one whole YEAR before i was born. (yeah, im 30, so the stupid "age" card thing doesnt work on me) so i guess maybe that makes me a non-typical Peon owner, since im roughly the same age as you?
if you are only here to help, then why are you making up bullshit and then getting all defensive about it? you could have done some real damage to some poor noob who will now be forever searching for the holy grail FWD V8 omni/horizon, never to find it... its sad really... maybe your brain is a little fuzzy on the details of this topic because you have been rebuilding trannys in your sleep. when i sleep i just dream, and rest my body, it keeps me sharp for situations like this one. but, i will give it to you, you probably do have more expirience fixing things than i do, being that DSM parts are manufactured from used duct tape and hope, they need lots of replacing.

The biggest problem about people i notice is the fact that i dont use flashy stuff or 'name brand' components, id rather make the stuff myself, so they think i know nothing since i dont buy APC or WeaponR

haahaahaahaahaa... come on up here and take a look at my car, i have made, modded and installed all the stuff on my car. ask anyone who has seen my car in person, it is rice free and ghetto modded like whoa. i do, however have an APC air filter in my DIY cold air intake, so...

Yea i know itll take some time to prove myself and my ideas, but it wont be long before i will be known

but your already 31, shouldnt you have command of all of us young punk Peon owners already with you stunning intellect and mastery of the voodoo of automobile engine workings?

Oh, and i have some JDM EURO turn signal fluid on clearance, cheap!


Peon: A car for the working masses. (a little dark age humor that i made up in 1995).

I can never be owned, its a misnomer and slavery was abolished back in Lincolns time.

um, ok, you keep working on that humor thing, another 15 or 20 years and you will have it down.

Okay, thats it
When will you reply?
Now or later?
Every day i check these boards
Day and night....

[05 SXT 5spd]

or at least learning about

so you have been working on cars since you were 6? hmmm, i thought there were child labor laws in existence to prevent that sort of thing from happening... even waaaay back in 1975 when you were born, one whole YEAR before i was born. (yeah, im 30, so the stupid "age" card thing doesnt work on me) so i guess maybe that makes me a non-typical Peon owner, since im roughly the same age as you?
if you are only here to help, then why are you making up bullshit and then getting all defensive about it? you could have done some real damage to some poor noob who will now be forever searching for the holy grail FWD V8 omni/horizon, never to find it... its sad really... maybe your brain is a little fuzzy on the details of this topic because you have been rebuilding trannys in your sleep. when i sleep i just dream, and rest my body, it keeps me sharp for situations like this one. but, i will give it to you, you probably do have more expirience fixing things than i do, being that DSM parts are manufactured from used duct tape and hope, they need lots of replacing.

haahaahaahaahaa... come on up here and take a look at my car, i have made, modded and installed all the stuff on my car. ask anyone who has seen my car in person, it is rice free and ghetto modded like whoa. i do, however have an APC air filter in my DIY cold air intake, so...


Okay, thats it
When will you reply?
Now or later?
Every day i check these boards
Day and night....

Hmm ok i was gonna let it drop, but since you seem so bent on proving to the world that some people cant do anything without a CNC lathe or a factory full of engineers behind them, here goes...

You are the kind of people who told the Wright Bros that planes would never fly, or Chris Columbus that he would fall off the edge of the earth. Or that Thomas Edison would never come up with a viable solution for a light bulb filament.

If some noob wants to search all over for a V8 fwd Mopar, im sure he will find plenty of people willing to help him do it. Just because no 'factory' solution exists, does not mean in any way it is NOT possible. How hard is it to fab up a tranny adapter plate? You think big companies are in business to dream up this stuff? No, its starts with ONE person and an idea. Ever invent anything? Ever wanted to get that mass produced? I doubt it since duct tape is already in existance.

Why am i full of bullshit just cause YOU havent seen and want to disbelieve so much? I dont have to prove nothing to you, i would only be wasting my breath or burning calories like i am now. I havent once stooped to insulting you or anyone else, so you sir need to unwad your panties and have a decaf latte.

Oh, and if you are so smart, why in your haste and temper cant you type or read right? I said, and you quoted, "learning" about cars, and yes i was 6 when i first watched my dad change the oil is his 73 Dodge Club Cab. Your math is in error, i was born in 1974, I said build engines, not rebuild trannies in my sleep.

I also threw some quite famous misunderstood sayings in to prove im trying to be light hearted with you and give you some sliver of a doubt. Just because you are 30 doesnt mean you cant be stupid. And rednecks can be found in Alaska too, not just the south.

I am done proving that you cant think something other than the tangible norm could happen outside of the twilight zone...

Now that said and done, do you feel insulted? If not good cause i was not trying to start ANY kind of a fight, and even though Vin finds it somewhat hard to believe, he did approach it in my opinion with an open mind. He would be the kind of person id like to prove it to, because he isnt so adamant about it not being possible.

Good night and God bless!

[mynameiskiller]

ugh, for the last time, we are not talking about possibility, were are talking about existance.

you stated that you have seen a 318 fwd omni. i said bullshit. you took a tangent and decided to try to say that it could be built. i never said it couldnt be built, i said it wouldnt be worth it, and again, pointed out that you have never seen a 318 fwd omni. you continue to dodge the real fact here, that you got called out on a bullshit story. just admit that you have never seen, in picture or in person, a 318 V8 FWD Omni. thats really all i was hoping for throughout this whole thread. come clean and ill shake your virtual hand and let it go.